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That we have to consider more the organic unity in the Bible, treating the Bible with more respect and not misusing it as an arsenal to use to draw from weapons to hit our opponents over the head in order to prove that we are right and they are wrong, but to use the Bible more as it ought to be done. As a historical book, coming from an Oriental culture. As a book that has the message of God hidden in it, not always lying on the surface, and that a lot of work and homework and study is needed, to enter into the essence of the Biblical message.”
§ If the reasons why God does not forsake His people here is “for His great name’s” and for making a people for himself,” then this was quite a serious situation (as the wider context of this passage will indicate). For example, it was not even for His name’s sake that He twice turn from His destructive purposes concerning a rebellious Israel back in the wilderness days (Exod 32:12; cf. ST Nov. 13, 1901 (LDE 58)). It was rather so that He would appear as a liar to “Abraham, Isaac and Israel (Jacob),” that He then drew back (Exod 32:13, 14; cf. Gen 22:15-18). In a parallel, it was in essence for His name’s sake that he regathered Israel at the end of their stint in Babylon.(Dan 9:18, 19; cf. Ezek 20:9, 14, 22, 44; 36:20-23; 39:7, 25). Indeed the context of this verse shows that God was quite upset (1 Sam 12:17-19) with Israel for having murmured in expressing that they wanted a ‘king like the other nations around them.’ (1 Sam 8:5, 6). As God had told Samuel, in making this request they had actually not reject the prophet from being judge over them but had rather rejected Him and His theocratic form of government. (vs. 7). Ellen White points out in Patriarchs and Prophets 603, 604, that the evil of Israel having ‘a king like the other nations around them’ was that this King would now legislate (i.e., set the law) for the nation, and the work of only enforcing the laws that God himself had given, would be replaced and instead of inspired men rising up and instructing and enforcing these laws, it would be that law of the king that would end up being supreme. As she further adds: “The Lord foresaw that Israel would desire a king, but He did not consent to a change in the principles upon which the state was founded. The king was to be the vicegerent of the Most High. God was to be recognized as the Head of the nation, and His law was to be enforced as the supreme law of the land.” Also the King would in many ways act quite selfishly and consider his benefit first before the rest of the people as God, through his prophet had warned (1 Sam 8:9-22). That is then why a “man after God heart” (1 Sam 13:14) was greatly needed to fill this pivotal position, rather than just an individual who had automatic access to the throne because of his monarchial ancestry. But such a desired man under this system could actually not at all be secured by God. That is sadly why during the days of this ineffective monarchial system, of the forty-three kings that proceeded to reign on the throne of Judah and then also Israel, only three were said to have ‘done what was right in the sight of the Lord’ (David, Hezekiah and Josiah). But, despite this inevitable path that Israel demanded to travel, God, as 1 Sam 12:22 says, put up with request and allowed them to have a monarchial system and it was only because the Lord “has been well with making a beginning of making you a people for Himself.” So clearly, it was not a position of deserved favor that prompted God to forgive Israel of their sin here and granting their faithless petition, it was only in regards to Him an His cause. But very early when Saul went stubbornly astray, God quickly stepped in to overthrow the cause for this system already going bad.
She then said:
"The fifth chapter of Revelation needs to be closely studied. It is of great importance to those who shall act a part in the work of God for these last days. There are some who are deceived. They do not realize what is coming on the earth. Those who have permitted their minds to become beclouded in regard to what constitutes sin are fearfully deceived. Unless they make a decided change they will be found wanting when God pronounces judgment upon the children of men. They have transgressed the law and broken the everlasting covenant, and they will receive according to their works." (9T 266-267)
(See a discussion of this passage in DARCOM vol. 6, p.365-369ff - however contra. Jon Paulien’s uniformed/ignorant supposition there, Ellen White fully knew what she was talking about here, and was not ‘confused due to a lack of sleep’ p.369).
I had providentially discovered this vision, and found it quite interesting myself before, as I had discovered it a few days after I had sketch out an outline plan of a colossal Temple for God (1.6 million square feet), with a mind-boggling seating capacity, to say the least, where I had, out of reverence for the space directly underneath this Holy Temple, decided that the entire depth of this space would be wholly set apart as the foundation. This then made this foundation turn into one “immense pillar.” That was quite encouraging personal confirmation. The only way that I would be completely off-track with all of this is if a 288 million cubic foot pillar is not considered an “immense pillar.” Other than that everything else is in harmony with the Greater Plan. (See the recent, full discussion on this topic in this post).
[The following is another reply message (On October 6, 2000), from a different person, to the TC1 Message.]
There is no doubt that our church has many unqualified leaders.
However, this is not a reason to emphazise the errs of the church but
rather a time to come and help from with in... I you think you have a
better perception of how the church is doing, then show it by helping
people commit to Jesus, not to a church or to a bunch of profecy
jargon. Don't misundertand me. All I want to say is that our emphasis
hould be in conversion not behavior. The second will come as a result.
If you are not willing to do this, or if your EXCUSE is: I have done
enough and its time to separate (which is exactly what you are doing),
then I must tell you that this atittude is just showing that you are
just as human as all of the leaders tha you critizice.
It is not what you do and how you do it what makes you a truly son of
God... My dear brother, don't loose the simplicity of the love of God.
If you love him you will love us and help us. Don't blame us, because
you know who likes to blame...!
God bless you, and I hope to see you in heaven.”
Good bye and I hope I see you in Heaven.
[My Full Name]