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The Prophecy of Daniel 8 - Part A2

The Prophetic Geo-Political||Societal History of the World (Daniel 8:1-6, 7, 20-21)

Note: The present Part A2 (=Dan 8:7) blog post continues its preceding Part A1 (=Dan 8:1-6, 20-21)
[See next its Part B (=Dan 8:8, 9-14, 15-19, 22, 23-26)]

Daniel 8:7 - Then I (suddenly) {naturally} saw him cause to be contacting alongside the ram. Then he (repeatedly) made himself embittered at him. And he struck the ram and shattered his two horns, then the ram had no strength to withstand him. So he hurled him to the ground and trampled on him, and there was none to rescue the ram from his power.

Then - As grammatically possible, the Hebrew Waw conjunction here can translated to reflect the distinct notions of the ensuing statement being: conjunctive =“and”; consecutive =“then” or explicative =“that is”. As it will be seen in the following exegetical+historical interpretation, these ensuing statements are best understood to have a consecutive =“then notion and meaning.
            A plausible, as in possible, claim/argument could (have) be(en) made that Dan 8:7 is just restating in more detail what Dan 8:6 had already introduced, i.e. the male goat attacking the ram, and so the opening Hebrew waw here would be: explicative =“that is”, but, as stated above, exegesis, and pointedly the (as earlier presented and here later continued) historical details of the application of this prophecy (i.e. Greece battling Persia for world hegemony) favors the “consecutive waw” understanding...

The Prophecy of Daniel 8 - Part A1

The Prophetic Geo-Political||Societal History of the World (Daniel 8:1-6, 7, 20-21)

Note: This blog post is continued in Part A2 [=Dan 8:7]  & Part B [=Dan 8:8, 9-14, 15-19. 22, 23-26]

            The following exposition on the prophecy of Daniel 8 parallely covers much of the same historical ground/sweep and theme/issues as the prophecy of Daniel 7 and also Daniel 2. So to get the proper background and foundation about properly interpreting Bible prophecy do first see/read this post for Dan 7 and this one for Dan 2.[1]1
            Also, from the upcoming exegetical and Biblical (i.e. letting the Bible decode/interpret itself) exposition on/of Daniel 8, it will be self-evident&demonstrated that the popular preteristic interpreting & applicational claim that this prophecy was fulfilled by the ca. 2nd century B.C. actions of Antiochus Ephiphanes and the Maccabean Revolt actually, literally comes up way short...both Chronologically as well as Theologically/Biblically/Spiritually.[2]2

            Just the fact that this preteristic view was originally crafted by the 3rd Century AD anti-Christianity sophist&philosopher Porphyry in his attempt to discredit the claim that the Bible had predictive prophecies should ring all kinds of alarm bells in Christian. For a discussion about how that overall “historical critical” claim against the presence of predictive prophecy in the Book of Daniel, (with the claim being that “the book of Daniel was not written in the 6th century B.C., nor by Daniel, but in the 2nd Century B.C., and by someone else, who moreover was not familiar with Sixth Century B.C. history), see the introductory material (such as this presentation) provided at the beginning of the Daniel 2 prophecy. The pertinent, supposed “gross error”, issue of “Darius the Mede” (Dan 6:28; 9:1) is resolved in this chapter on the prophecy of Daniel 9.

            Relatedly, the alternative claim by Christians who have the unBiblical Dispensationalist-Futurists view, and therefore they claim that the “Little Horn” portion of this prophecy applies, -(as is their claim for the similar symbol in Daniel 7), to a still future antiChrist is also disproven in this exposition...Indeed the coming “antiChrist” manifestation that they are expecting from their interpretation of this prophecy is actually not the one that this prophecy is Biblically identifying (i.e. at Dan 8:23-25ff) ...More on that issue later when it comes up...    

The Biblical Eschatological Legacy & Fate of the Anti-Christ (Dan 7:9-14, 18, 22, 26-27, 28)

Part 1B: The Prophesied Political Destiny of the Anti-Christ Entity (cf. 2 Thess 2:8-12; Rev 13:11-18; 17; 18; 19; 20; 21)

Note: This is Part 1B of this preceding post on the Prophecy of Daniel 7. So all references to earlier already (i.e. “above”) commented on parts of Daniel 7 are found in that preceding posting.

Eschatological(ly-also-Applicable) Portion(s) of Daniel 7 Prophecy
            As a guiding overview background, here is the Biblical text (simply as the NASB) from this Daniel 7 vision where its culminating, Eschatological part is mentioned, namely Dan 7:9-14, 18, 22, 26-27:

Daniel 7:9 - "I kept looking Until thrones were set up, And the Ancient of Days took His seat; His vesture was like white snow And the hair of His head like pure wool. His throne was ablaze with flames, Its wheels were a burning fire.
Daniel 7:10 - "A river of fire was flowing And coming out from before Him; Thousands upon thousands were attending Him, And myriads upon myriads were standing before Him; The court sat, And the books were opened.
Daniel 7:11- "Then I kept looking because of the sound of the boastful words which the horn was speaking; I kept looking until the beast was slain, and its body was destroyed and given to the burning fire.
Daniel 7:12 - "As for the rest of the beasts, their dominion was taken away, but an extension of life was granted to them for an appointed period of time.
Daniel 7:13 - "I kept looking in the night visions, And behold, with the clouds of heaven One like a Son of Man was coming, And He came up to the Ancient of Days And was presented before Him.
Daniel 7:14 - "And to Him was given dominion, Glory and a kingdom, That all the peoples, nations and men of every language Might serve Him. His dominion is an everlasting dominion Which will not pass away; And His kingdom is one Which will not be destroyed.

The Biblical Historical Identity & Ideology of the Anti-Christ (Dan 7:1-8, 15-17, 19-21, 23-25)

Part 1A: The Prophesied Political Agenda of the Anti-Christ Entity (cf. 2 Thess 2:1-7; Rev 13:1-10)
This blog post is responding to the following objecting[1]1 claims:

Dan 7:1-6 First Three Beasts
A Blueprint To Identify The Antichrist by Chris White
Daniel 7:7, 24 - Ten Horns                                                  
Chapter 5: Disturbing Facts We Were Never Told About The 42 Months And The Ten Horns - Part I                          

Dan 7:8, 20, 24 - Little Horn & 3 Horns
Chapter 5: Disturbing Facts We Were Never Told About The 42 Months And The Ten Horns - Part II

Dan 7:25 - “Time, Times & Half a Time” = 1260 days=1260 years
538 AD          
History Versus: The Justinian Decree

1798 AD
Chapter 6 PART I: The Deadly Wound & its Healing (1798-1929): What we were Never Told
Chapter 6 PART II: The Deadly Wound & its Healing (1798-1929): What we were Never Told
Chapter 6 PART III: The Deadly Wound & its Healing (1798-1929): What we were Never Told

Is Roman Catholicism Biblical??? (=Matt 16:19??)

Is the Roman Catholic Church the True Christian Church??? (=Matt 16:18??)

Spoiler Alert: ...upon the below more detailed review: !!!Hell NO!!! (Gal 1:6-9; cf. Rev 13; 17 and 18)
Cf.: 7 Reasons Why I AM NOT a Roman Catholic

Catholicism Refuted (Mike Winger)
Catholicism: Worth Arguing About (1st of 4 videos on Catholicism)
Refuting CATHOLIC Authority
Why Catholicism is WRONG
Unbiblical stuff the Catholic Church teaches: Mary, Indulgences, Eucharist, Priests, 7 Sacraments
+Catholic Apologists Abuse Typology to Teach Mariology


            ...Alright, upon especially after having viewed this conversion testimony (cf. here) of Teresa Beem [responded to here], I am going to, -in much more/deeper investigation, consideration and detail than what was done here, fully go through only a couple of RCIA (=Rite of Christian Initiation of Adults) series/“process”, namely this (20+class) one+this (27-class) one, while also skimming through the 1425-page Cathecism of the Catholic Church (CCC)...to see why 1.285 Billion Roman Catholics are so sure that the:

-Bible & Prophecy misinterpretation; contra-Biblical traditions; heretical doctrines; superstitious sacraments; non-Authoritative dogmas; whimsical canon; misguided councils; compromised Faith; paganized Church; fallible “infallibility”; Old Covenant-mimicking clerical order; dead/penance works; “saints” necromancy; images-worshiping; “bilocation” spiritism [really???!]; Eastern-meditative mysticism; eucharistic hocus pocus; vain repetitions; gesturing superstition; penitent penances and historical violence, sadism, crimes & murders of the Roman Catholic Church are actually “Godly” (i.e. both: Just & NT-mandated).... and not “(Roman) Babylonian”...

            ...But, candidly: “Heads Up”: Don’t get your hopes up...I.e.: As the RCC has already fulfilled various historical Bible Prophecies, -and to a literal, chronological and eventful “T” (=2 Pet 1:19 (NASB-margin)), there is indeed not much hope that its foundation is the words, faith and teaching of Jesus Christ (Luke 6:46-49)....Yet, it seems to me that despite my obvious Biblically-cemented foundational bias, if Catholicism is True/Biblical, then these indepth explanations from it for its views/teachings/beliefs, should convince and convict me since I am devoted to doing and believing whatever the Bible teaches....So let’s go, and let’s see:

Yeshua for (Orthodox) Judaism

Yeshua for (Orthodox) Judaism (Psa 110:1-7|Matt 22:41-46)

The Bible Evidence Why Jesus was/is the Bible’s Prophesied Messiah (cf. John 10:25, 37-38; 14:10-11; Matt 7:15-20)

            Alright, after several months now of endeavored work on this blog post, as it increasingly involves each answer to be given, literally deserving to be in a full blown dissertation/thesis in themselves, also involving the deeper exegetical study of many OT and NT passages, and thus requires much more of the needed resources than what I presently have and/or can expend, I have decided that rather than wait for the manifest several more months to complete this blog post, I’ll instead just post my written work thus far and also the ca. 140 pages of notes and jotted down answers and lines of countering arguments that I have produced thus far. So the following posting is as rough a draft, including brainstorming stage notes, as it can be. I recognize that not everything stated thus far in that “working thesis” stage may be polishedly accurate, but that is only a small minority of what is posted here. Further study and expounding may prove and better substantiate those points and statements.
            So here goes with my responses (thus far) to the ca. 45+ hours of “Counter-missionary” material found on “Jews for Judaism” (and certain other) websites:

            It will likely/naturally be the case that the authors of the content to which I am responding to here will more readily understand the responding statements and succinct notes being made here, even if they are not yet fully developed. Someone who is not familiar with the initial material here would be greatly benefited by first viewing the resources from the above links. The specific resource under discussion is many times cited as (highlighted) headers below.

Note: As involved in the chosen Title Verse, as Jesus’ trumping card statement in Matt 22:41-46; the discussion of Psa 110 included in these discussion is most pivotal to understanding and recognizing the Messiah as it generally explains many of the key objections still being claimed by Jews against Christianity.
            And as with all other acts of God in both the OT and NT, right through today, if one is refusing to involve faith combined with also loving righteousness (=right doing), then it literally becomes impossible to “see the light” (Rom 9:30-33; cf. Rev 3:18 -see here).
            I’ll also generally say here, in regards to an also key/pivotal passage on this topic of the Messiah, as God’s Israel had been started by one person, and then following the Babylonian Captivity was revived by a small remnant, the related Servant songs in Isaiah 40-54, particularly Isa 53 can validly apply to the experience of a single (establishing) person and also a (later) preserving and re-establishing Remnant.